WINSTON:  “More than that, I think the thing that influenced me the most about ‘Amok Time’ was how T’Pau would’ve made an excellent black female racist, and what she did to Spock, even when he was going through the blood-fever, to get him to do what she wanted him to do.  ‘Are you human or are you Vulcan’ (sic RBW Vulcan?’)  is a line which, for me, would come right out of the ghetto:  ‘Are you black or are you white?’  When you look at a person and you know full well what color his skin is, but you’re trying to get him to do something that he may or may not want to do . . . Vulcans were not supposed to have emotions, but she was a woman with definite prejudices . . .”

JEAN:  “Right, and this is where I got the Vulcans for the NTM universe, because what did we see?!  We saw Spock trying to live up to some sort of ideal.  You realize, we never saw a Vulcan living that ideal.”

WINSTON:  “Right.  No other Vulcan was doing what Spock was doing. (to Jean) The only thing I didn’t like about yours was your over-use of contractions.  (Jean laughs) One of my favorite scenes was when Amanda said, ‘Oh, my!  I should have told him to come back in an hour!’  And Sarek should have said, ‘That is not funny, Amanda . . .’ not ‘That’s not funny, Amanda!’  The line ran too fast . . .  (to audience) But the Vulcans in hers are a lot more believable than what they would have you believe was going on on Vulcan.”

JEAN:  “I am still trying to get Jacqueline Lichtenberg to write the story she has promised to write about Sarek’s brother.  You know that he has a brother . . . he’s mentioned . . .”

PAT & WINSTON:  “Where?  Where?  Where?  Where?  Where?”

JEAN:  “He is mentioned in NTM and he’s mentioned in FULL MOON RISING.”

WINSTON:  “Oh!  I thought you meant in the series . . .”

JEAN:  “No, in my series . . .”

WINSTON:  “I’m sorry.”

JEAN:  “Sarek has a younger brother.  And I envision that younger brother as a pure KRAITH Vulcan who got accidentally born in the NTM universe.  And he really lives that Vulcan ideal.  And there is a time in Spock’s adolescence when Spock turns very much to his uncle instead of his father . . . And I can’t really write that character.  I know Jacqueline can, if I can get her to do it . . .

(All eyes turn to Jacqueline Lichtenberg in the audience, who is emphatically shaking her head in the negative.)

JEAN (laughing):  “I wrote KRAITH stories, Jacqueline.  Come on!”