2013 Sime~Gen Chat
General Chat Log
<ZoeFarris> -- Zoe Farris
<Jean> -- Jean Lorrah
<JL> -- Jacqueline Lichtenberg
<Anne> -- Anne Pinzow
SosuEliza -- Eliza Leahy
<KarenMac> -- Karen MacLeod
<Kaires> -- Kaires Tevesu
<Ironwood> -- Ed Wilson
<Lexie 13> -- M. Alexis Pakulak
<Aharon> -- Aharon Cagle
<Sieglinde> -- Linda Robinett
<Seanara> -- Seanara Coyote
<MJC> -- ?
<Rob McCann> -- Robert McCann
<Deborah> -- Deborah Christian
WingedWolf -- Donna Fernstrom
KarenMac I haven't heard from Kaires in a while.
Ironwood I thought so. Ed Wilson there are a million of, but Ironwood nearly one of me.
Sieglinde Let me give her a jingle.
Deirdre Profit is good!
JL aha, here comes Aharon Cagle. You all want to meet him.
Seanara HI Aharon!
Debora Profit yay, always good
Ironwood Need to change the small, something bigger would be nice.
JL He has garnered the knack of creating Sime~Gen stories and material and background and CHARACTERS -- not to mention aliens. You want to meet this fellow!
Sieglinde Kaires let the time get away from
her so she is coming home from where ever the heck she is (I assume somewhere
Debora you had me at aliens
Sieglinde I love mobile phones.
Aharon Happy New Year all!
Sieglinde Looking forward to the game.
JL Anne please post here not in #simegenbiz until we call for votes.
Jean If anyone is interested, the business chat has begun over in @simegenbiz.
Debora What platforms for the game?
JL HI AHARON
Deirdre I love mobile phones too, Sieglinde, though your name is nearly invisible on my screen!
Debora web, ps3, xbox?
JL I just told everyone they want to meet you and in the biz chatroom Jean just announced you.
Aharon The game will be for iOS, Android, PC/Mac and the new console Ouya
Sieglinde BTW, planning on having Kaires
Sime-Gen party in
JL Good because we're planning on
Aharon Yes, indeed
Ironwood I'll be in
Sieglinde IOS include iPad, easier to use than iPhone. (and you can see my name better.)
Debora I prefer my android tablet
JL Apparently we don't have "moderation" on these chats, so we have to keep ASKING you to chat here and leave #simegenbiz for the business reports.
Debora ipad is just a big iphone that doesn't make calls
Seanara Just bought my membership for
SosuEliza JL we have moderation - if you want it
Sieglinde Thanks Ironwood, transporting stuff on airplane sucks. But the Riverwalk ought to have plenty of stores.
SosuEliza I thought you might not like it
JL Wonderful Seanara - we hope Worldcon in
Seanara Hope so. I've never been to
Sieglinde My large iPhone can do phone calls with others who run Lion so I use it as a phone with my friend who has a Mac running Lion. Free also, works with wifi.
JL SosuEliza, Yes, the biz room should be moderated. Me, Jean, and Aharon should be in there now, everyone else "listening" (I hope carefully.)
Ironwood So do I. I like Bill, the Chairman. Good buddy and frequent book club dining member.
Sieglinde I have been in
Ironwood You didn't go longways then.
SosuEliza not sure I can do it quickly now - I expected everyone to understand
KarenMac I probably could have bummed crash
space at my Cousin's home in
SosuEliza I'll see what I can do without changing the logging
JL I posted an article recently about how Amazon has again changed the way they "recommend" books -- so OUR books are in a black hole right now. You'll find them only if you stubbornly search for them
Ironwood Karen, sorry to hear that. I may have to drop in on you at some point then.
JL Amazon has been DELETING reviews - especially reviews by writers who review other writers' books.
Sieglinde Vampire's Challenge? Is that a hardcopy (soft cover book) or only an e-book. Without messing around with my book collection is that the story anthology?
KarenMac I enjoy short term company. My lease doesn't allow more than a 2 week visitor, though.
JL VAMPIRE'S DILEMMA is an anthology of vamp stories (none by us) edited by us. It's in paper and e-book. Not audio.
MJC Where could I find that article? It sounds interesting. I had seen comments on their forums about writers reviews going missing though
Ironwood Karen, I'm thinking 3 - 4 days, and when god knows - I don't
KarenMac VAMPIRE'S DILEMMA's a good read.... I helped with the text editing, not the story selection.
Sieglinde Have a JL (both) JLs autographed copy, thought it may be that book. I don't know how well anthologies do in audio.
JL I believe I put the article on my tumblr -- look for Jacqueline Lichtenberg or check my FB page, somewhere in Dec I parked the Amazon articles I think.
KarenMac Ironwood --- we'll work on that down the road.
MJC Okay, I'll have a look
Sieglinde I forgot, Karen, do you live in
KarenMac Been in
Sieglinde I will dig up my copy, read it and review it on Amazon.
SosuEliza ****How about we watch the business now and chat when it's finished?*****
JL That would be very helpful. yea!!! Aharon is posting in biz. Watch.
16:25:28 Sieglinde I have been doing both, there are little tabs (I love my lovely large Mac) and I just have been switching back and forth and even running down stairs and fixing lunch.)
KarenMac I've been switching between tabs, too.
Seanara Which is going to be the more official con hotel; they list two?
JL If you're just signing in, also join and watch #simegenbiz where Jean and Aharon are posting.
Seanara Marriott Rivercenter or Marriott Riverwalk?
KarenMac So much for me enjoying the planned game.... can't afford new technology.
JL I haven't studied the TX hotels yet - but Jan is the time to make arrangements. watch for the next Worldcon prog report.
Deirdre It is standard now, I think, to ask authors in a small press anthology to help with promotion. Do authors get a code to order copies at a discount, so they can carry them to cons to sell there?
Seanara Thanks, JL
JL Deirdre, problem is Amazon - see that article. Authors are virtually prohibited from "helping with promo" now.
Aharon @KarenMac I doubt you will need anything beyond what you have today. Send me your computer specs and I can give you an idea.
Jean There are other places to promote than Amazon.
Deirdre JL -- what? You mean, prohibited from reviewing on Amazon or ,more than that?
Jean Put it on your blog, your Facebook, your website.
KarenMac Will do that when you have the time, Aharon. Thanks. I suspect eventually I'll be helping somewhere with this project.
JL I don't know what the whole situation is on Amazon but the direction of their moves is to BLOCK Indie authors from reaching readers. (which makes NO SENSE to anyone; hence blog posts)
Jean Make yourself an Author's Page on Amazon--that's certainly allowed. You guys are not Indie authors.
Seanara You have a PC, Karen; your old
laptop is running XP and the new one,
Aharon @KarenMac Absolutely!
Jean You are Wildside authors.
Sieglinde Party and evening event hotel is in Rivercenter the "large Marriot."
Seanara Aharon's game should work with either, I hope. Thanks, Sieglinde
JL 5 Hours gameplay apiece?
KarenMac Seanara... thanks. I haven't yet updated the
Debora i gotta go, it was nice meeting everyone
JL BTW, considering the content I see coming, this game SHOULD be of interest to non-gamers!!!
Deirdre Bye Debora
JL Bye Debora -- hope to see you much during the year, and at next year's CHAT.
ZoeFarris May I suggest that we hold off these conversations until after the business is done, that way we can concentrate on the business and then chat afterwards.
Jean Aharon is describing the game over in #simegenbiz.
Sieglinde Biz and chat are slow, I have been monitoring both and fixing lunch.
SosuEliza it's always slow
Deirdre Have you been offering copies of the book to outside reviewers?
SosuEliza Deirdre - wait until after the biz and they will ask if there are questions relating to biz - that way all the biz is in the one log
Seanara I ducked and hid and went invisible on Skype and turned off Facebook chat so I could concentrate here. Limit to how much I can multitask. Did anyone talk to David Doersch? A very fine actor and singer who does voice-overs. Used to lead "Coyote Run."
Sieglinde After lunch I will go to my garage to look for the box I think Vampire's Delimma is in.
Aharon Haven't spoken with him yet Seanara, we aren't really at that stage yet. But certainly will!
Seanara Thanks, Aharon. He's a friend of mine and on my FB friends list so you can find him that way.
SosuEliza Please it makes it very hard for the log if we have BIZ in the CHAT!!!! That's why we have TWO rooms!
Seanara Sorry, Eliza, I thought this was chat.
SosuEliza it is - and what you asked was BIZ. Never mind
Seanara Oh.. should I repost to biz?
JL We generally chat at lightspeed during the biz postings which generally are slow because it's hard.
SosuEliza after Jean, JL and Aharon give their report then they open questions
JL No, nobody should be posting in biz until the end of the reports.
Seanara Right... which is why I didn't say anything in biz.
JL Eliza am I misunderstanding? There are two separate logs running, right?
<Rob McCann> And this one is for chat, right?
SosuEliza and if we talk biz in here what's the point of having a biz room to log?
JL You all know what "Lore" is for gamers?
Debora detaild of the 'verse right?
KarenMac We always did some biz side chat in the chatroom, too. That's why both logs get posted... they cross connect.
KarenMac Check the older chat logs online and you'll see that.
kaires On occasion, I have copied sections from one to the other before posting them...annotated by source, of course.
Seanara My question about David was side chat.
SosuEliza Karen, from this point can you please copy and paste the chat into a doc? I'm going.
JL Yes, I agree Seanara's question about David is side-chat but a good one -- the answer is no, nobody's been approached besides the couple needed for the prototype
Ironwood Logs are not minutes. I get to write a lot of those in my new job. Minutes are logical, logs are what happened and too rapid fire for thought sometimes.
JL OK, questions for Aharon?
KarenMac I can't copy and paste... I'm working on borrowed time with my back today.... no guarantees from me.
kaires When I do that, it's either because one of the masters of this 'verse told me to, or more often I suggest the move and get it approved by the said masters.
Deirdre I admit, it is frustrating to have a chat room and be told not to chat!
JL If Aharon makes his June target for Kickstarter we'll have NEWS and much material for Worldcon.
kaires I can copy, and I have. It's safe.
KarenMac Kaires --- my bad back went BAD again in November and LAST NIGHT. Up until meeting time I was flat on a heating pad. Please send me whatever you copy as a document for editing later.
Debora Karen, sorry you don't feel good
Lexie13 I'm wondering if the game developers could get anything useful out of Borderlands, the S~G RPG on IRC that some lof us have been running for years, creating stories on it
KarenMac Part of getting older....
Seanara Karen, I am sorry about your back.
JL Karen is having a REAL hard time with sciatica etc. REAL hard.
KarenMac I don't think Borderlands would fit. This game is said to be Space age.
kaires Ooh, yeh, Lexie! I love the "Borderlands" stuff!
Debora I'd beam you some of my 4-alarm chili, but my transporter is off line
Lexie13 I'm wondering if the game developers could get anything useful out of Borderlands, the S~G RPG on IRC that some lof us have been running for years, creating stories on it
KarenMac Part of getting older.... I'm falling apart --- still not completely over a 2 month sinus infection....
kaires The situations in "Borderlands" probably wouldn't translate, but some of the characters--very well developed personalities--might be useful.
Seanara BTW, how do you change the color of your name here?
KarenMac Doctors can do nothing for my back, sciatica, or if I get other bad joints. The cerebral palsy is the problem preventing "repair" and even therapy.
<Rob McCann> I've been wondering that, too. Our names are too faint!
JL See, if we get new fans who love RPG, that whole BORDERLANDS section of simegen.com will sizzle with new readers.
Lexie13 Thank you, Kaires; we sometimes wonder if anyone actually reads the stuff, so it's good to know
Deirdre I Hate long sinus infections!
<Rob McCann> JL, I have to go momentarily. Question: Have you been tackling another S~G novel since TFC was published?
Debora Is the borderlands thing still going? Can anyone new join?
Lexie13 We could afford to sizzle with one or two new writers, too
JL <Rob McCann>, ANSWER: Aharon got me working on a new story bridging from pre to post SPACE TRAVEL era.
Debora what IRC channel/server platform is it on?
JL <Rob McCann>, That's why I said earlier to check CHRONO1.html
KarenMac If the gamers like Borderlands they'd get some of that "background" and probably develop their new game with better characters. Gamers tend to make better writers....
Lexie13 yes, it's still going, though we haven't posted our new stuff in a while
KarenMac There is a "Project Unity" group Aharon set up on Facebook, but it isn't being used that I can see yet.
<Rob McCann> JL: Does that story have anything in common with "Sime from Gen Divided," the post-RenSime novel mentioned in Katie's chronology?
JL KarenMac, Agreed - I would want new fans to work through all the books AND the fanfic (especially CZ) and into the BORDERLANDS material
Debora I'd love to join, even as a lurker to begin with
JL <Rob McCann>, No it's about a NEW Householding I invented to do what I call "lorify" a plot issue that Aharon came up with.
KarenMac If I can sit at a computer <hopeful look> I can always point people toward the various other gems on the domain for gamera.
<Rob McCann> CHRONO1.html, OK!
KarenMac ---- gamers ---
JL My story focuses on a renSime who is a member of this new House -- which specializes in Journalism -- and becomes one of the founders of another new Householding generated by the exigencies of the Space Age.
Debora I wrote a few small story snips on the facebook site...
Lexie13 probably the best way to start, Debora
<Rob McCann> OK, one more question before I go: How's the writing going on Special Dispensation?
Sieglinde I thought I was on the Facebook Sime~Gen site. I rarely ever see anything from it. Is that where Borderlands is?
JL <Rob McCann>, Jean got sidetracked from what will be SPECIAL DISPENSATION (under some other title I think) into the contract and story-development work with Aharon's group.
KarenMac Borderlands is on the Simegen.com domain.....
Jean Special Dispensation. Want to talk about a title contest in biz later--don't let me forget.
kaires <KarenMac> "gamera" isn't that a flying tortoise?
<Rob McCann> OK, I have to go! Happy New Year everybody!
Lexie13 It's Monday and Thursday evenings at on freenode.net; channels are #secretpens and #naros
Jean I'm working on it, but with game legalities and health problems, it's going too slowly.
Debora <lexie13> thank you!
JL My story focuses on a renSime who is a member of this new House -- which specializes in Journalism -- and becomes one of the founders of another new Householding generated by the exigencies of the Space Age
Jean Bye, Rob.
<Rob McCann> Bye bye!
Debora bye rob!
KarenMac I fixed that several lines later, Kaires -- GAMING
JL KarenMac, I like gamera -- I know that word has profound meaning.
Ironwood so do I.
Seanara Me, too.
KarenMac Sometimes I DO make a typo. Not often, though.
Seanara That's how the word "filk" was invented. "Gamera" ought to have a good meaning, too.
Ironwood Now learn to take advantage of it!
JL Ironwood, have you done any RPG playing? Anything with Videogames?
Ironwood That's my wife's forte. But I owe you.
JL Ah, Ironwood, has your wife read Sime~Gen?
Ironwood To me a couple of times.
KarenMac Well, it sounds like even us small folk can invest with Kickstarter... in that case I'll send a couple of buck when that's ready for members. ---- damn, can't type for anything today.... BUCKS.
Ironwood She seems to like it
Deirdre Karen, I hate typos, too!
Lexie13 and Debora, you can use mIRC or some similar platform
KarenMac When I type 70 wpm, I occasionally get typos.
Debora ya I've been on IRC before, although it was a few years ago
kaires The index to "Borderlands" is at: http://simegen.com/sgfandom/fa...v/boom/
Lexie13 see you soon, then? Which time zone are you in?
Seanara Ages ago I did some of the IRC S~G roleplaying. Not Borderlands though.
JL I think Aharon plans to host a "community" -- chats and such and I suspect anyone who's been gaming at all will love that getting to know new fans.
KarenMac The link was shortened,
Kaires. The wikipedia definition
of GAMERA is --- Gamera (ガメラ) is a giant turtle Kaiju (Giant monster) from a series of popular
Giant monster films produced by Daiei Motion Picture Company in
Lexie13 So, for you, and we're usually done by 11 your time
Seanara LOL, sounds like Nessie, Karen!
Debora I might pop in occasionally. I have a schedule conflict on Thursdays thanks
JL KarenMac, So Aharon says in biz the bottom kickstarter is $10 -- but you can use PAYPAL instead of kickstarter.
kaires KarenMac Yes, it was. The latter part of the link is: fans/bev/boom/
KarenMac I think you and I were in the earlier incarnation S~G RPG that ended around 1999. JL I think there are times I can handle more than $10. Income's a challenge, but I'll toss something in.
JL The deal is when you donate via Kickstarter (or whatever) you get something -- in this case since they're making a game, you get a copy of the first game. If you donate more, you also get something ELSE.
Seanara Karen, you and I were in Bender Cove.
Lexie13 Seanara, as far as I can tell by reading old logs, in Borderlands we're much more serious about creating story than the earlier cycles were
JL http://www.kickstarter.com/pro...otlight -- is probably typical --
Ironwood Reaper used it to pre-sell figs that it didn't have the moulds to make to raise the money to get the moulds cut (about 20,000 per mold).
JL Look down the right side and see you give more you get more somethings to go-with once the item is created and for sale.
KarenMac Nod.... when Kickstarter opens up for the game finances, I'll toss something there. My brain isn't working right, Seanara. I couldn't remember BENDER COVE's name to save my life.
Seanara And probably less beset with, er, interpersonal dysfunction issues also, Lexie.
JL Lexie13, you said "serious about creating story" -- that is what Aharon's crowd seems to want to add to the typical "game" motif -- more RELATIONSHIP DRIVEN STORY content
Sieglinde Figs? Those squishy soft fruits? What did you need the money for?
KarenMac We're already over the hour for biz chat.... what else is going on we should know about.
Seanara Sieglinde, it's only a fig-mint of your imagination. <innocent look>
Ironwood Gaming figurines is what Reaper makes, the muntz ones in metal, and the new ones in a plastic that need a fancy mould.
Lexie13 yes, we're all grownups, and willing to work as a group
Ironwood Muntz is cast in sand.
Sieglinde Oh, I am in an agricultural area. If you drink wine some of it probably came from my county.
JL Each of these formats for game-releases (paper books like D&D; discs, manuals, etc., etc.) is 'for' a different market. Like audiobooks don't sell to people who want print on paper, and printed books are useless to people who want ebooks because they have no space.
JL MJC is asking some excellent questions!
Ironwood JL and Jean; we have an excellent
writing convention in
Lexie13 Ironwood, you're moving to
JL Ironwood, I do have my eye on
Ironwood I am in
MJC Hope you don't mind that I'm being a bit pushy with the questions :\ I'm not trying to be rude, I promise
Ironwood Look like good solid biz questions to me.
JL Oh, it's not rude. MJC, you are showing INTEREST - and we love that. Also knowledge -- great questions. This log will be posted, and new people will find the answers to their burning questions posted right there.
Aharon @MJC You guys are fine. Good questions.
JL Someone pointed out we're way over time at the moment, so we should move on to the Awards.
As a group, we have a tendency to scatter -- I wouldn't want anyone to miss things because they didn't log into FB for a few months. So we try to have lines of info set up for all kinds of preferences.
Ironwood Lexie 13 I am at Ironwood.Edward@gmail.com for link up.
JL subscribe to the blog -- join the FB Group -- follow me on Google+ and Twitter -- or subscribe to that Newsletter at simegengame.com (which will be a URL redirected after a while as Aharon pointed out. )
kaires I missed the beginning of the meeting. (I was hosting my usual New Years Day party, and lost track of time. Multi thanks to Sieglinde for reminding me.)
MJC erm, when I try to sign up to the mailing list I get a "The feed does not have subscriptions by email enabled" error. Is that happening to anyone else?
kaires So, did anything else get discussed on the business side except the game? I kinda wanted to report on the convention parties.
KarenMac Well, eventually the rest of the stuff should be discussed... The URL for the BLOG is --- http://out-territory.blogspot.com/ Considering that my real life threw me a lot of curves in 2012, I didn't do much for the domain and shouldn't even be here for the business part....
Jean Okay--Kaires, I'm going to ask you for a report, okay?
MJC Cheers for all the answers, Aharon
JL Oh, a party report - YES!
Jean Kaires, you're on, while I go hunting for the list of awards unless Jacqueline already has them.
KarenMac I sent JL one name for an award.....
JL I have the stock awards list -- Karen has a nomination for an award.
KarenMac You can do that nomination JL... that's why I sent it to you.
Seanara Thanks, Kaires! It was a pleasure. Great party and lots of people dropped by.
KarenMac We should eventually do a creativity award in memory of Patric --- creativity because he was an author, and wore many other hats for Simegen.
JL OK folks, SPECIAL DISPENSATION - watch biz. MJC, Oh, gee - I did a signup for the newsletter at simegengame.com and it accepted my signup. I wonder if something broke?
MJC I'll try it again later. Maybe I'm script blocking something it needs to be enabled to work
KarenMac something sounds like it WORKED, JL.
Seanara Special Dispensation -- is that about Sels and Bett?
MJC I expect the problem was on my end
Seanara Or am I thinking of something else?
KarenMac We can fix the biz log to get the chat's corrected with all of Karies' comments together, and all of Jean's also together, to make it coherent.
Lexie13 actually, I think "Special Dispensation" already is a title that grabs the reader, full of intrigue and questions and possibilities
JL Seanara, No, Jean is not writing about Sels and Bet -- she has a few new characters for us, and is using the founding of the Entertainment Industry to advance Orgonics tech to where we can use it for Space Travel.
Seanara Looking forward to Jean's new story.
Jean With the game coming out, we are going to be reaching a larger audience. I want a title that will pull in people beyond those who already will buy anything that says "Sime~Gen" on it.
JL Jean's characters run athwart a Tecton law/rule that requires an EXCEPTION, and for various reasons, get it. So it's about the laws of science and the laws made by humans, and getting around limitations.
Aharon @MJC It's working fine on my end. It DOES pop open a window, that might be the issue?
MJC quite possible. After the chat is over I'll reload and try again. I just don't want to lose the chat if I start enabling things at the moment, it's too interesting.
JL MJC, I'm glad you're having a good time.
KarenMac My damned cats just set off my medical alert machine in another room !!!
Seanara Oh Gawds, Karen, can you call the medalert people and tell them it was a false alarm?
Debora It's a kitty prerogative to get in trouble.
KarenMac I had to get up --- go to that room and answer the call. Told them they had 4 cats to blame!
MJC I am. It's fun to see this sort of, personal interaction between creators and fans. Even if it feels like I've invited myself to your party because most of you all already know each other. That's a lot of cats
Seanara You'll get to know us, MJC, in no time.
KarenMac I now disconnected the phone line to the machine. They can't set it off now. 4 isn't a lot of cats when at one time I had 7. They want to be fed now that they saw me, but that won't happen for at least another hour.
MJC I'm sure they'll try to convince you otherwise though
Ironwood and you are perpetually pray challenged.
kaires Ooh, I almost forgot another highlight of last year: I got to edit "Blood Will Tell" and "Dreamspy"...not for typos, but to update technological references in one (that took place on Earth's Moon) and correct 20th-Century-American-English references in the other (that took place on a faraway planet). I don't know if that belongs here or as a BIZ report. ?.
KarenMac Yeah... one cat tries to tunnel through the carpet to get past closed room doors. My carpet is shredded.
WingedWolf I had a cat that did that.
KarenMac I rent, though... can't seem to stop him.
WingedWolf I was at the time, too...wound up declawing her. Controversial, but it stopped the issue. Also stopped her from laying open the ankles of people who walked by the sofa--she would hide under it. Evil kitten, lol.
JL KarenMac, Go ahead and nominate
KarenMac Won't declaw... EVER.... OK, JL
WingedWolf Probably wouldn't now, but it was over 20 years ago. She never had any problems with her feet in any case.
JL Nominations are now open in the biz chat for Awards - Karen should be typing there.
KarenMac I did nominate... complete with typo.......
Seanara Thank you, Karen.
JL apparently there is a lag, as Jean noted. VOTE IN BIZ PLEASE
PLEASE We have 10 -- any more votes?
Ironwood JL / Jean: How many other published authors has worldbuilding / Sime-Gen writing school produced.
Seanara Am I supposed to vote for myself?
Debora Why not
Ironwood You should
Seanara Sigh, all right, conspirators!
JL I haven't kept count - but the percentage is high.
KarenMac Why not. You lugged the computer to Darkover Con for me.... and I thank you for it.
Seanara You're welcome, Karen.
kaires Definitions of awards: http://simegen.com/sgfandom/ch...#awards
Seanara Thank you, everyone.
Aharon Grats Seanara!
JL thank you Kaires for looking that up.
kaires The endgame is: /chats/chat2006_chat2.html#awards
JL Lexie13 is that a MOTION?
WingedWolf The link is clickable, it's fine.
kaires Seanara, I would have voted, too, but I was busy tracking down the awards definitions. Thanks so much for all you do!
Seanara Kaires, thank you for saying that! I don't do much; only a little now and again, when I can.
JL And you realize Patric would run screaming, right?
kaires Isn't that the whole point?
Ironwood Wish he could. Rather have him than an award for him.
Seanara I'll second THAT, Ed/Ironwood
JL He couldn't believe he DESERVES this - but the truth is, he definitely does. I wish he were here, too! Vote please.
KarenMac Yes, JL, I was just thinking that.....
MJC I didn't know him, and I don't understand your awards, so I'll stay out of this one. I think it's a really nice idea though.
JL I need some more votes. Let's make it unanimous.
Aharon Everyone is allowed to vote?
KarenMac Award definitions are on the link http://simegen.com/sgfandom/ch...#awards Anyone at the chat can vote.
MJC oh what the hey, sure then.
JL MJC, these awards are given by co-workers for outstanding achievements (some of them unique) during a calendar year. It's our way of keeping track of the multitude of contributions to our efforts.
KarenMac Anyone can be nominated, too.... (evil grin)
Seanara BTW, how are the Karen award and the Digen award different?
Aharon Well Zoe and Eliza definitely deserve it, they've done some amazing work over the last year.
KarenMac Karen Award: for Creating Foundations, for individuals or organizations who have helped to create the Sime~Gen fan universe, or who have proven indispensable in growing and maintaining the Sime~Gen domain. It was invented in 2002.
Seanara I read the descriptions.
MJC I'm assuming the Digen is more of a catch all for someone you wanted to reward, but didn't really fall under a specific category. Or hit multiples? That was how I read it.
Seanara And the Digen is for meritorious service.. .
KarenMac The Digen Farris Memorial Meritorious Service Award --- apparently two different things.
Seanara so as far as I can tell, the only difference is that the Karen award is more specific.
KarenMac **shrug** I didn't create my own award.... ask the authors.
JL OK, vote the first Patric and we're on to the next one. This vote is why I've asked people to ID themselves when they sign on - so the log can be headed with a what sig = which person as our sigs differ from year to year
ZoeFarris Thank you everyone. Eliza says thank you, too.
kaires I really like the way the chat rooms work this year. In the past, I've had to keep two separate windows open. This year, the two 'rooms' are just two tabs at the top, and the one I'm not looking at blinks when it gets new input. Well Done!
Aharon @ZoeFarris Congrats!
JL If there's another award to be given, put it below. Do we have anyone for the Digen? Am I lagging or is there silence?
KarenMac Aharon deserves something..... Falling into this strange group of creative people that have been around since the 1970s. But what?
JL Aharon turned up mid-year. We award generally for a full year's efforts.
Aharon Nah, I don't deserve anything...leave it until next year!
JL It's the unflagging PUSH through a year that earns these things.
KarenMac JL and Jean say WAIT, so we wait.....
Seanara Aharon -- Tech Ton award... Perhaps next year if everyone says not this year.
JL Yep, Aharon will very likely still be PUSHING hard next year and earn a whole bunch of awards.
Vote in the biz chat please. Kaires definitely deserves recognition.
Jean Anyone remember exactly what the Harris award we created last year was for?
kaires Sorry, I meant to put that comment over here. See how flustered I am?!?
KarenMac I shouldn't be nominated for anything. This year, real life didn't give me time for the domain.
Jean Something to do with joining territories, shifting alliances, whatever?
JL We have a nomination for the Karen Award -- as I pointed out, despite insurmountable odds, Karen PRODUCED or you guys wouldn't have access to 6 new audiobook editions of Sime~Gen with more coming.
KarenMac Ironwood --- my work for you isn't Sime~Gen domain related, though I appreciate the "shout."
JL Karen - if you win an award, you MAY turn it down of course, but you don't get to DUCK beforehand.
kaires Harris Emstead Award for travel to and services in a foreign Territory.
KarenMac Patric used to DUCK (so did I) so I'm just carrying on tradition. I spent very little time doing much for the domain this year.
Ironwood I am afraid Karen is out of the Harris Emstead award biz now.
JL Vote in biz for the Karen Award (BTW this Karen we're voting the award to is the one it's named after -- all subsequent winners will have a high standard to live up to.
Ironwood I vote in Biz, I kibitz in Chat.
JL Karen: You are allowed to blush and even giggle if necessary. You are Awarded.
KarenMac (Love you, too.)
JL Seanara knows how to make me blush too.
Seanara lol!<no guilt>
KarenMac Look at the body of work you've BOTH done, and that doesn't count the Game background work none of us have seen yet.
JL ~~~guilt at Seanara~~~~ Any further votes in biz?
Seanara ...That I don't think you've _ever_ gotten awards for in S~G, either of you/
KarenMac I think you're right, Seanara.
kaires It's about time! Great call, Seanara!
JL Are we finished for the year?
KarenMac Stock awards, then PARTY here?
JL OK, stock awards then PARTY
Seanara Applause on the stock awards!
Ironwood Clapping. Lexie13 give me an e-mail and we should visit.
JL vote to adjourn and we can use both rooms to party
KarenMac Ok, people... you go party here, but I gotta get off my chair and heat my very angry back. Blessings to all this New Year.
JL Next year, perhaps Aharon will bring us sneak-peeks at ARTWORK
Aharon This year! Very soon!
Seanara Hugs, Karen, happy new year and feel better soon!
JL Thank you for enduring that awful back issue to be here, Karen
kaires I'll send all the unhurting-back vibes I can muster, Karen. Be well!
WingedWolf Karen needs a laptop. (I'm typing from bed, my back isn't great either).
JL Oh, sneak-peeks at artwork on the FB group?
KarenMac Safe trip home, Seanara. My back and walking issues can't be repaired via exercise or surgery, so it looks like more wheelchair use for me and that really peeves me off.
Ironwood I have a photo for the cover of HJ I could put on FB.
JL BTW if anyone doesn't know what "the FB Group" is -- it's SimeGen Group on Facebook (you have to make an Facebook account to get at it, but then you can join with a click).
Seanara Thanks, Karen. Karen has laptops, WingedWolf.
KarenMac If you own the photo rights, Ironwood, then you can post it.
kaires Lovely talking with all of you again -- old friends, new friends, and yet-to-be-met friends -- but I have to get back to my party. I am theoretically hosting it, even though it's at someone else's house.
Ironwood I took it.
KarenMac My laptops are connected to a cable modem, though... thanks to JL for that.
WingedWolf Ah, we have a wireless network in the house.
MJC nice to meet you, and take care
JL Oh, yes, and our writing students are definitely invited to post all their adventures and accomplishments on the SIMEGEN GROUP on FB -- anyone influenced by S~G is going to be producing art and stories we will all want to see.
Ironwood I has an ancestor of the Rikkeau and a person the same age in the right place
KarenMac Nope.... no wireless network for me. Would like to see it, Ironwood... since I worked with you on the book.
Seanara That's the problem, WingedWolf. The wireless issue.
Aharon Good night all and Happy 2013!
ZoeFarris Good night Aharon
Jean Karen, do you have a laptop that could connect to wifi if you had wifi? That you may have used in hotels?
ZoeFarris nearly morning tea time here
JL KarenMac, Yes, your modem will do wireless but the computers need a hardware device either inside it or plugged into a USB port to connect wirelessly.
Seanara Goodnight, Aharon.
Jean Good night, Aharon--thanks for coming!
WingedWolf If she were near
Seanara It was good to meet you at Worldcon,
JL GOOD NIGHT AHARON - see you
tomorrow. Oh, yes, next year worldcon -
we are planning on
KarenMac Don't know the tech stuff.... but I THINK both 'puters can do wireless networking.... my older laptop did.... back in 2002.
JL The year after that Jean is planning on
KarenMac Unfortunately, I'm in
Deirdre I'm connected through my home wifi.
Jean Then all you need is a router.
Ironwood My Karen's old lap top was wireless, and sadly it died.
Seanara When I'm home I've got DSL broadband on the desktop and wireless on the laptop, courtesy of my new tech and a wireless router I inherited from my husband.
Ironwood our hub puts out wireless, but it has problems receiving - boot it every 10 minutes most the time.
kaires Let's meet at the 2013 parties:
WesterCon (July 4-7,
ZoeFarris Oh, @JL when I get the chance I will update the flyers for the newer Audios. Still adjusting to windows 8 and new laptop after last one wore out.
WingedWolf Yeah, and a good wireless router isn't really too expensive.
JL Karen next needs to get a Kindle -- that will connect to the wireless modem she has. You can watch movies and videos in bed suffering BACK PAIN.
Seanara JL, it's the $$ issue again for those tech things for Karen.
KarenMac I'd love portable new tech, but I can't possibly afford it.
kaires Get a Google Nexus instead. It can do Kindle, Nook, and other e-readers, as well as tablet stuff.
JL ZoeFarris, GREAT - yes, we have all your flyers still master copies in Dropbox so you can update them when you get a chance.
Ironwood Look into 2nd hand market. I got a desk top for 300$CDN. Z fold an A sheet or ZZ fold an L.
KarenMac I just got a $16 Social Security increase, but I suspect like last year, they'll raise my rent $75 if not more. Can't afford ANYTHING new....
Jean Karen, if you have a wireless router and a laptop that will do wifi, why don't the two work together?
Seanara Karen doesn't have a wireless router as far as I know.
KarenMac I don't know if I have a wireless router... I don't seem to have any router.
Ironwood How are you on line now?
WingedWolf cable modem, she said.
KarenMac Usually I can sit at my desk for hours, but the back went south last night..... and cable's getting to the point where I have to re-negotiate a cheaper rate yearly... sometimes I get it, sometimes not.
Ironwood I'm thinking of one of those, once I get a house. This wireless is a pain, they don't have enough bandwidth locally to keep us connected.
Jean Okay--you have a cable modem that links at least two computers with wires?
JL Yes, it's true you need a wireless router connected to the modem, one way or another. That's why I said KINDLE is a good choice because it does whispernet which is a phone connection.
KarenMac No... one computer at a time is connected to the router...
Jean All right--then it's just a modem, not a router.
JL So what Karen needs make that Needs is a router. Those are cheap these days, too.
KarenMac I have to disconnect this computer from the modem and reconnect it (and reconfigure) if I do the updates on the machine Seanara gave me. Then do it all over again....
Jean You can get a router for about $40. We'll talk.
JL Yes, Karen - we're going to FIX THAT FOR YOU -- one way or another.
WingedWolf I wonder if we have a spare, lol.
Jean You can cookbook through the instructions to set it up.
Ironwood I may have one at the beach that is no longer required.
JL Does anyone here have a spare router?
KarenMac Something lightweight and very portable to sit on my lap would be great.... if not, then wireless network would be next.
WingedWolf I'm checking with my tech guy (husband), lol.
Ironwood Trouble is I don't know when I'll be at the beach before Victoria Day.
KarenMac Lookit.... LOVE all of you, but my back is COMPLAINING very badly, and I expect the 4-cat chorus to begin their song in about 30 mins.
JL Karen needs a ROUTER -- yes, but she also needs a TABLET. She doesn't know it yet, but she does need a tablet.
KarenMac ** grumble *** like when JL once said I couldn't live without a computer.... unfortunately, she was right.
Ironwood I will extend invite to visit Wpg for convention Victoria day weekend. Contact me before you ask for the beach - I'm busy and it will be full this year.
kaires @JL, NASFIC in
JL Karen - go on take care of things and self and cats -- we'll worry about you. WE LOVE YOU. You are amazing and we ADMIRE you.
KarenMac Take care, all of you. Have a great New Year.
Jean One problem at a time, Jacqueline. If someone has a spare router, Karen can use the laptop on the couch or in bed.
JL Kaires - yes, but I'm not going to
WingedWolf Quote, 'We have a bunch of them, I'm not sure which ones work, but I will look." lol
Jean Take care of yourself, Karen.
WingedWolf So, we might have an extra router.
ZoeFarris bye Karen, take care.
Seanara What's in
JL Note that Aharon said they're looking into distributing this game internationally -- you never know what's going to happen next in my life.
Jean WorldCon 2014 is in
Seanara I've got a membership how could I forget?
Ironwood The one before
Seanara to that and Shamrockcon...
JL But I've got a new project -- getting Karen set up with a router.
WingedWolf We have 3 of them, hubby is sure that at least one of them works.
WingedWolf He's going to test them.
Seanara the others are the year after
Jean I am trying to get my heart
straightened out and my energy back so I can go to
Deirdre London Worldcon and Shamrockcon would be a great holiday.
Seanara Good health and good luck to you, Jean
JL WingedWolf - you have a spare ROUTER for Karen?
Jean No sense going if I can't enjoy a week there before the con.
Ironwood Yes next worldcon is 2013,
WingedWolf JL - I think we probably do. We have 3, he's testing them for functionality.
JL and yes, testing is necessary!
WingedWolf Husband is an IT guy, lol.
WingedWolf We have all sorts of random gear.
Ironwood So is USPS
JL LOVE IT GUYS!!!
Ironwood necessary that is
WingedWolf has been a hard core S/G fan since she was 13, lol.
JL Ironwood, I'm not at all sure USPS is remotely necessary these days. I used to lurk by mailbox waiting for deliveries -- today, nope.
JL Everything IMPORTANT (including my car registration renewal notice) comes by EMAIL.
Ironwood It is - that is how the router gets to Karen.
WingedWolf True, lol.
Ironwood Otherwise Canada Post is a pain.
WingedWolf I run 2 internet businesses, and everything gets mailed.
JL Well, usually UPS or FedEx are cheaper and more reliable.
WingedWolf USPS is way cheaper.
Ironwood Even CP is cheaper. But do allow 2
weeks to get across
Jean USPS is still cheaper than UPS. But USPS will probably be dead in ten years.
kaires And as someone mentioned, EuroCon in
Ironwood Yes, and I will not be buying a house that year.
WingedWolf I don't see it. My town just petitioned to keep their post office when they tried to close it.
JL Kaires - oh, that's a neat schedule - Eurocon and Worldcon - wow.
ZoeFarris Well I am off, have to go out into 32 degrees centigrade and get morning tea. Thank you for the awards and the chat. Take care everyone and have a good New Year's day
kaires @JL ...AND NASFIC! I plan to do all three.
Jean Bye, Zoe.
JL THANK YOU ZOE and ELIZA -- thank you, thank you! Kaires - all 3 cons, wow.
ZoeFarris You are welcome and I will pass on your thanks to Eliza.
kaires Right now, I have no idea where I'll get the money for the three cons in 2014...but I WILL get it and I WILL go!
Ironwood I dread the 2014 vacation schedule - Wester Con, Nasfic, World Con, Eurocon and visiting relatives in Scotland....
JL I need to go get dinner on the table and Zoe needs breakfast. Isn't it a wonderful world?
Ironwood It isn't the money, it is the time off!
kaires Bye, Zoe & Eliza. You are both SO COOL!!!
WingedWolf I'll post on the facebook group when we get a router sorted out, and see how we can get it to her.
Jean I have cats complaining, and need to make some supper.
MJC I'm going to vanish as well now, but it's been great meeting you all tonight, and hopefully I'll manage to talk to you again in future. I know the IRC post said this was the yearly chat, do you chat in here at other times, or is it mostly elsewhere?
Seanara Kaires, you and me both, lol!
Jean Good night everyone.
JL I figure Ironwood - your job is like mine. There is no TIME OFF -- whatever you don't do today you have to do tomorrow.
kaires Ironwood: by then, I'll have minions to run my Internet businesses, and the other businesses will just go on hiatus for a month. Priorities!
JL Good night Jean --- HAPPY NEW YEAR
Seanara MJC, it's an annual New Year chat; the rest of the time we're on the Facebook page
JL Just in case it isn't anywhere on the log HAPPY NEW YEAR
Ironwood But sometimes the characters get up and carry the story for you and that is WONDERFUL!!!!
WingedWolf Husband says we have one. Tested, and it works.
ZoeFarris This will be available all year round is a private channel so people will not be just barging in.
Seanara Happy New Year all, and hugs to all
JL OH WONDERFUL -- Karen will be delighted.
Jean Happy Year's Turning to all!
JL WINGEDWOLF TO THE RESCUE
kaires HAPPY NEW YEAR. Seeya all next year (if not before)